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Post by: dig set smash ya face
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HIS JUST ONE PLAYER, WHAT CAN HE DO?
LMAO
Man you guys make me laugh, does anyone remember the student cup finals in 2001(porter v's Albrecht) or how about SC in 2003(again porter v's albrecht) or how about BUSA 2002&3 (porter v's well everyone). One player can get you a long way. Porter didn’t win BUSA or SC in any of those years but he got his team to the final or semis every time. Just read some of Cambridge’s match reports when they played hallam. If you could stop him then u could win but very few teams could. He passed half the court and got over 80% of the ball and probably killed it 80% of the time by just going over the top. It’s the same now with Andy L, you stop him and you can have cambridge. An even better example is Tom Hollis from the mid 90's(if any one remembers that far back)
Where has reading been over the past 10 years in BUSA volleyball????No where, and as your a jonnie foreigner you haven’t got a clue. How could BUSA not know the rules of their own competition? My sides are spliting, you’re so funny, you should write a book. I think you’ve had one to many splifs mate. To be fair the draw is complicated but really, its like a driving instructor not knowing how to drive.
And if you think that just because the event is held in Loughborough means that Loughborough has to be in the competition then I definitely know you’ve had 10 to many splifs. Loughborough haven’t been at the finals for how many years? I think 3 but it could be 4, do you think they have been sitting in a small shed in the middle of a field for 4 years plotting how to get back in the final 8's? It’s got to be held somewhere, where there are enough courts and centrally located, where do you suggest it’s played? I know there’s a patch of grass just out side Coventry, we could put 4 courts up there and everyone could camp. YOU’RE A WEIRDO!!!!LAY OFF THE DRUGS!
Now p1ss off back to where ever u got ur fake passport from and don’t bother coming back and don’t bother trying to claim asylum either, with an attitude like yours your not welcome.
ps. if we are all going to eat our words when we see the evidence then why don’t you show us this ‘evidence’. Go on I DARE U!
pps. Why don’t u leave bally alone as well. His got some very dodgy mates and from what ive heard if he finds out who u are then he'd get u knee capped with ease.
Post by: Paul
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Quite a debate we have going on here!
Reading guys, you are just going to have to hold your hands up and accept that rules were broken. You are a good team (with or without Luca) and you seemed like a good bunch of guys when we played you, so don't ruin that image now.
I don't know the full story, but the fact is, BUSA do not just disqualify a team for no reason and they can only act when a complaint is made so the late notice really is irrelevant. Loughborough (and I am not their biggest fan for a number of reasons!) have done nothing wrong in this episode - they cannot edit your university's records to show the guy is ineligible - they just reacted the same way as any other team would have done after receiving a "tip off". They would have had no reason to suspect any of your players were ineligble prior to the match - as with most BUSA fixtures, it was played in good faith.
I am not going to whine about what could have been had you not played Luca against us and if we had finished second etc, theres no point. We had a good game of volleyball against you, we had our chance against Cambridge - a fair contest which was by no means beyond us, and Cambridge came out on top. So no bitterness from our point of view even though we have a good case to be....maybe you should be showing a bit more sportsmanship and just admit you (or your club, your coach etc) made a mistake?
mk26 and #? Well the mk26 email address is no longer in use and its prior owner was Mark Kontopoulos who would not be afraid to put his name with any post he made on this newsgroup...so I guess thats the difference between him and '#' ...and the Reading guys who have been on here for that matter.
Unbeaten? Think ULU and Essex might have something to say about that ;o)
Post by: Lufbra libero
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The results so far are:
Nottingham top group and go through to semi.
Loughborough come second and also go through to the semis.
Oxford won 2/3, ulu won 2/2 and hallam 1/2, and the match between ulu and hallam is currently undergoing and decides who goes through in to the semis. Hope thats ok Mr. porter!
Post by: Smon
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I wasn't going to post again as I thought that my point had been made clearly. But fair enough you didnt understand again.
Your comment about the standard of english volleyball was perhaps a little badly thought out. Yes he is a great player and a lot can be learnt from playing against him or with him. But if all teams simply got ringers in to play for them the level of volleyball will NOT improve ever as home grown players do not get the chance to play. The national team at the moment is one of the strongest its has ever been and the junior development is also going well (Ben pipes, 17year old england setter!) Volleyball simply needs to get noticed for the excellent game it is but will unfortunately always live in the shadow of the more popular sports. Why don't you get your university team involved with your local national league team (Thames Valley VC - National League division 2) if you are not already. More matches, more training. Good for the sport and good for the players who do get involved.
The sarcastic use of the word prestigious made me laugh. You cannot argue when a univesities athletic union wins the overall BUSA championship year after year for both men and women. Ive just been on the BUSA website and the current overall points totals are as follows:
1 Loughborough 224
2 Bath 63
3 Stirling 46
Year on year the university gets double the amount of points that the next best uni gets. Im in no way trying to say that because Loughborough win BUSA every year that the volleyball club should win BUSA every year, that simply is not the case.
That is the end of my post. I am not going to post again as I dont think the other person is ever going to back down from his/her confused point of view. The BUSA rules state the eligability rules. For more information go to their website or get a BUSA handbook.
By the way Reading have 6 points. That means in general we are 37.33 times better at sport than you.
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Look all the s**t that is here, why? Because one player beat the home team, and someone that is not interesting in lose agains reading send an email. I think that some people is scare to play agains him. He is just one player, what can he do?
And with this clain of things you are not helping the english's volleyball. One of the best player in the country in this moment and you do this. That is the reason for the level of volleyball here. You need to learn a few things about this sport.
Sorry about my english.
Thanks
Post by: Reading fun
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I am sorry but I forgot to inform you that in the BUSA page the score between you and Reading is still 3-1, for the real winners, please change it, you know how, dont you? Complain again…..
Post by: Reading Fun
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Let's be reasonable here. There is one unknown Uni in the volleyball world that easily beats the “prestigious” top sport university of the country, what more logical from the way that you reacted. You were terrified that Reading will have an easy long weekend in the finals and you do everything to prevent this, using unjustified excuses, congratulations you won.
It seems that the finals is a private club of 8-10 teams, the same each year, if someone new has the guts to alter this then there are the “legal” consequences.
As concern my comment about terrorist, probably you don’t have the sense of humour, but please leave alone the House of Lords because they are still looking for ghosts in the Iraq war, are you looking too?
I wish the best for the English Volleyball, it will always be in the last European positions if you still continue like this.
PS: When the finals finish, I hope the winner to feel the need to have some real Volleyball, you are always welcome for free lessons in Reading.
Post by: ports
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well said willy!
so what were the results from today?could someone put them up some cos busa results still says "draw not made"
blimy,that was a short one,i must be feeling ill.no actully i am sick, im sick of this stupid country im in(austria)
Post by: Will
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This is just getting silly. Reading , there is no conspiracy against you. As Simon has said, we received an emial from a third party uni (not ULU) at about 9.45pm on Monday. That email stated that a local league game Luca incriminated himself in a conversation with someone from this 3rd party uni. Another Reading player was also reported to have said that they had been pulling players in from all over the place (whatever that means).
Simon and I went to our AU as soon as we could (we did not tell the rest of our team as we did not expect anything to come from it, suspecting it might be a prank from another uni!?!?!). I was present when the first phone call was made to Reading. They immediately conceded that they were aware of this and were looking into it already.
The Reading reason given was that they were not aware that the player in question was ineligible. This may have changed since that point, I don't know, but what I do know is that their original plea was of ignorance of the ineligibility, which in itself is not an excuse.
To say that it is bias towards Loughborough is unfair. If you look at a hell of a lot of things in volleyball at least, you will know there is no bias towards Loughborough and from the number of people I have spoken to this evening at the event about this, the main point of concern is about the way that you are approaching this.
Ok... to reiterate, we found out on Monday, not from ULU. The person who sent the email asked for discretion and personally I repsect that...perhaps your temperamental response would justify why this guy did not want to be identified??? We didn't actually ask for Reading to be kicked out, we notified them that we had been made aware of an accusation. So please, stop your abuse of people who don't deserve it, and have the guts to say who you are if you are dishing this kind of stick out.
Post by: Simon
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No bitching, Just to clarify:
The email I recieved on Monday night from another university wasn't from anyone at ULU.
When our AU office contacted readings sports administrator on Tuesday they were already aware that there was some doubt over the player in quesion's eligability.
Im sorry it happened to you guys the way it did but if we had known on the day about the ineligability we would have played under protest and the game would possibly have been replayed or awarded anyway. There is just no way of knowing on match day if players are eligable or not with the current way things are run. (See my earlier post)
Post by: the question of the day!!!
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whats the difference between this: mk26@ukc.ac.uk and this: # ????????
you decide
μαρκουλη τι κανεις;
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what is the defference between this email
and the symbol: #
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E-mail: mk26@ukc.ac.uk
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what's the difference between my email
and this symbol: #
find out
Post by: voice of reason
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Sorry if i have offended you tommy robs with the swaring et al it is just you must understand where I'm coming from. i'm sure all of you would do the same- we were all packed and ready to go when we got THAT phonecall from BUSA. I think this guestbook has provoked me too much and enough was enough- We are fed up of reading being slagged off all the time and are confident of being cleared from all wrong once we get a chance to say our side of the story- the psting by Bally was particularly insensitive and i think he is the one who should grow up- so Mr #, being honest is grown up- but you can't handle that?
Post by: guestbook submarine
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do it American style, look at what this guy got
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2007123
Post by: Tommy Robs
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Voice of Reason, I think we have found someone with a larger spout of torettes syndrome than coops!!! Obsenities galore!
Post by: #
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Why are you being so aggressive? That's just rude. Stop being bitter. If you are a true representation of Reading University then you should be ashamed of yourself, you're not doing their reputation any good. Grow up!
Post by: voice of reason
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what the hell are you talkin about- I advise you to just shut the fu** up as you don't know the full story- the truth will come out and everyone will have to eat their words- don't get me started on hallam- all I'm going to say is make sure you destroy ULU!!
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It seems to me that cheats have been caught. Hallam accepted their punishment gracefully for student cup like mature adults. I can't believe BUSA would kick Reading out without a very good reason. Regardless of whether or not Loughborough are the host, i'd have thought it rather obvious that they still have to beat the opposition to win BUSA and who'sto say they will? Unless you're suggesting they are bribing the umpires?...
Post by: voice of reason
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A few things need to be straightened out- firstly Bally ( or whoever the hell you are) is a fu**ing c**t.Leave Lciano alone as he is perfectly legitimate for Reading- it is only BUSA, who don't know the rules themselves, who have been influenced by the hosts to take such unjust measures. We all know who pulls the strings and poor litttle Lufbra could not accept being beaten fair and square by a better TEAM- that's right-Reading played awesome and would have beat the crap out of you even without Luciano and that is a fact- but you can't handle that can you because you're not real men just a bunch of winging pussies. How the f**k could Luciano get set 80 % of balls if he is backcourt half the time you prick- before you start again he only got 1 backcourt hit because the team has got such depth- we are better than you- you are the REAL cheats- and anything you achieve is discredited- this Championship is a farce and no pride should be derived from winning it because it doesn't mean anything without Reading there. A lot of you do not seem to understand what is going on here. There has been a conspiracy to rob Reading the chance to compete in these finals. To tell them not to come at the last minute is absolutely disgusting with everything planned and booked and the team training so hard as all of you should know. How can that happen?? Alot of people should be ashamed of themselves. Back to the conspiracy we know what's happened- whoever posted thatcomment on this guestbook was the informer that told Lufbra those pack of lies. are you guys stupid enough to think a reading player would do such a thing, when firstly it is innacurate? This absolute di**head thinks he has pulled the wool over your eyes. They saw the draw, knew they would finish 2nd behind Hallam and face Reading in the semis. He waited for the last minute so that not enough time was given so that Reading could explain what was going on. as you can see a nasty piece of work- look how desperate he is to win- look how scared he is!!- so now we are calling for poetic justice to prevail- Hallam, Stirling and Oxford- beat the shit out of your other pool member-they need to be taught a lesson for what they have done. They wanted to pre-determine the course of events and that isn't fair- they are the CHEATs( considering they pool students from all over London-well over 50,000 students- what di**heads!! you have to agree- is what they are doing fair- are you gonna let them get away with it? NO , So F**K THEM UP. Now Pool 2; Sheffield, Nottingham and Cambridge destroy Lufbra who are just as bad as you know who. Let it be a ULU- Lufbra 7th/8th playoff- those tw**s deserve each other. That is precisely what is going to happen because they think they can control fate but now they will be dealt harsh luck for the wrong they have done- Again, Lufbra you are s**t and Malory will tell you how much on Saturday- don't bother going at all. Let justice prevail!!!
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who do u mean by the unbeaten university?????
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Good luck to all (not bitching) universities
i hope to have
good games with fun
PS1 bitching uni:lufbra,ulu
ps2 is ulu university ???
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the unbeaten 2005 busa volleyball team has been finally kicked out by the dark forces of busa volleyball and did everything it could so that noone could challenge them
that's not the athletic spirit ........, is it ...?
Post by: jean
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The University of London is a collegiate university including 22 colleges and institutes. are you sure they have players from an college/institute other than these 22?
some of these play in BUSA as separate teams (UCL, Imperial, LSE, Royal Holloway) was only recently admitted into BUSA. this in itself is odd, eg how do students choose which team they play for? however, i haven't the arguments for, can anyone enlighten me on this.
Post by: Will
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Lol... great post Bally :)
Post by: Wardy
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Lol.....Good to see some good banta and topics returning to the guestbook.
Post by: Bally
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Hi Luca, do you fancy coming to play for Sheffield this weekend? We're a bit short on players!
Post by: Carl
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they should have had a look at ULU too...
Post by: DB
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still fuming at your topical 'terrorist' jibe volleyball fun. Does a man not have chance to defend himself? Well earlier on in your oh so wise e-mail you implied that the offending players were not eligable anyway- sounds to me that the burden of proof is enough to satisfy even the house of lords there matey.
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'Volleyball Fun' your arguement is totally moronic.
you are implying that nobody abides to the 'legal rules' and gets anyone to play regardless of whether they are at university. British UNIVERSITY Sports Asssociation- a competition between universities.
A more fundamental point is everyone ultimately plays because they enjoy it. Cheating takes all the enjoyment out of it....and heres me thinking you were espousing volleyball fun.
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Unless I missed something?
Post by: Simon
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I think that this just highlights the fact that someone needs to check the eligability of players at matches.
It shouldnt be that hard to do should it?
All that would be required is an ID card and a letter from the University registrar at the beginning of the academic year.
Post by: Can we return to some logical debate
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That post below is a little bit strange.
BUSA didn't wait until the last minute. The information only came through at 9.30pm on Monday: someone from a different uni sent an email to Loughborough, on Tuesday this was followed up and Reading Uni's academic registry were contacted. The decision process was then carried through as quickly as possible.
Are you suggesting that cheating is okay? How is it okay for someone who to play for one uni but actually attend a different one, to me that doesn't make sense. Reading Uni ddn't win that game, they won it thanks in part to someone who doesn't go to that uni. THe fact that someone from Reading put a post on here bragging about the player's ineligibility does seem to show that they knowingly and deliberately cheated.
And Loughborough aren't crap, if you want to talk about injuries then you're after the wrong people... the problems for that team are well known, 5 players missing through injury. Luca is a very good player and was set 70-80% of the ball in what was a close game.
As for your comments on other uni's playing ineligible players, maybe you should have the integrity to name names? I'm sure everyone would find that to be very interesting.
And finally, regarding the terrorists... what the devil do you mean
Post by: Volleyball Fun
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It looks to me that some teams afraid to play volleyball in the court and using “legal” rules suspend one of the favour teams out of the BUSA finals.
Reading team isn’t the only team who had a player from another university and the “intelligent” BUSA people should know that. Now I can realize why volleyball is so crap in this country, you should beg for players with international experience to play in your competitions because this would be also useful for British young players.
Nevertheless it looks that you don’t want to improve your volleyball standards and you always have the need of the “nanny” state to protect you with stupid and unclear rules. Please keep continue like this……..a real Reading fun.
PS1: Loughborough is really your team so crap that you managed to lost by only one person? I remember that on the opposite court were 6 players who won you and that also during the game Reading lost with injuries 2 of his best players. Good luck for the tournament but we everybody knows who is the real winner.
PS2:BUSA people should you have wait until the last moment to suspend Reading? Don’t someone have the chance to defend himself? This is your “democratic” and “lawful” country? Maybe you should also look for “terrorists” within universities.
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Yeah, I know...but maybe it wouldnt have been Kent-Loughborough (of course a really hard match for us, for sure...) and it might have been a home match for us. This is sad...no?but im glad u are coming anyway! :-)
Post by: Will
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Yeh Dani I totally understand where you are coming from, however, having seen the fullness of this process and the communications that have been sent by BUSA, they are just following the rules. It is very tough on those teams in the South-East conference that played against this team. However, if Reading had not played these guys in the regional qualifiers, UKC would logically have come second in the group and faced Loughborough, which is TECHNICALLY a tougher draw than you got as we finished 1st in our group and Cambridge 4th. Please note that I'm not saying that Lufbra would have won that match, and I am not saying that Cambrdige are not a good team, because they are, especially with the return of Andy for the championship matches.
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yeah but guys still..this CANT happen..Reading was in our conference in the BUSA championship.....:-|
Post by: Will
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Lufbra have accepted the place offered to them for entry into the BUSA Finals. We only found out ourselves for sure at about 4.30pm this afternoon, after having received some information late on Monday night from an independent source regarding the eligibility of Reading's players. Good luck to everyone at the finals, see you tomorrow evening
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u seen that reading have been kicked out of busa and lufbra have been offered there place! Also congratulations on your student cup victory cambridge!!
Post by: Reading player you silly boy
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Reading Uni guy...surely that wasn't a wise thing to say about 'your' star player! You are a fool for saying something like that on here. do you not think that someone will notice that and investigate it?
Post by: Dark blue
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Well, our girls got did something very similar two years ago, so I'd have a fair bit of sympathy. The eligibility requirements are pretty unclear. On a sidetrack, why don't the EVA put all their documents up on the net?
Post by: Wardy
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Regards ineligle player/no of hours.
Efe is doing a Professional degree on ACCA acountancy. His course is part time and therefore ineligble. However he's post graduate and studying the equivalent of a degree over three years. This mean 120 credits per yr even tho he is part time which means he eligble. But his course is creditted internally and our university were not willing to equate his course. A problem within our university......when we were looking into the issues we rang a number of other institutions who do the same course and some said it was 120 credits and some said 60 credits ans some also refused to pass comment. Anyway i can't pretend were not a bit upset 1. because we didnt get the rules till 2days before the finals and it took 2 weeks for our university to decide this internally and 2. because he didn't play that much I.E a set against newcastle n a set 1/2 against you guys. But all though the rules do slightly blur on this one we appologise. As we did not realise he was ineligble.
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Hallam, what happened re your ineligible player? 'didn't meet the requisite number of hours'? What the hell does that mean? Hard luck, guys.
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Evcuse me ,
We are Fucking DICKHEADS
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malakies
Post by: jean
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i'd have thought it's obvious, bad draw = bad tournament. as it happens the draw seems fine so if you read carefully you'll see that nobody's complaining.
i'm putting money on you and tom making a 'miracle' recovery for tomorrow? ;-)
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Yes the Reading outside hitter from argentina isnt from reading and Loboro got screwed!! he won us the game too!!! mwhahahaha!!!
Post by: Davidz
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Why are people moaning about the draw? its like complaining to a ref, they dont change their mind so why waste your time? just get on with it. all i can say is bring on the weekend.
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hmm, seems the info posted by Pres might be wrong (ie hallam and sheffield switched) in which case the men's pools seem fine.
Post by: Benji
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Look at last years BUSA result
1.Hallam
2.Nottingham
3.Oxford
4.Newcastle
I would say 1 and 3 in the same group and 2 in the other is an even draw
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